I have been getting many calls from homeowners who want to save on their utility bills, and who have done their research that showed them that Geothermal heating and cooling was the best way to heat and cool their homes. Some have already bought their heat pump and just want help with the HDPE piping and accessories. As long as you use a licensed electrician the factories are happy. Some of the heat pump manufacturers are very homeowner friendly and some are horrible and don’t want to talk to people just trying to save some money on the installation. They want you to buy through distribution and not direct. I can tell you who is helpful. We have some of the best geothermal USA made heat pump manufacturers in the world. Some once were USA owned like Florida Heat Pump. They were bought out by Bosch in Europe a few years ago. I remember picking up heat pumps from FHP first manufacturing plant near my house in Pompano Beach, Florida in the early 1980’s. It was really cool to watch them make a unit from scratch. Some of the first ones that I put in are still running 30 years later. Then I used Miami Heat Pump and Coldflow units. My mom got a Coldflow geothermal heat pump for her condo 20 years ago. She liked the look of the stainless steel cabinet. One customer bought a used geothermal off of Craigslist in nice shape for $500.00 and used an open loop for the water supply. He probably spent less than $1,000.00 to change his old inefficient heater to a Geothermal. His payback was a few months instead of years. He got lucky though. Most people spend about $5,000.00 for a nice geothermal air to water heat pump. Some people get water to water heat pumps and circulate hot water through pipes in the floor. That like the even heat throughout the room with no drafts from air blowing through ductwork. Some people don’t mind the draft and also it is easier to cool a house with cold air from the ducts and you have the bonus of being able to filter the air. You can’t do that with a floor water to water hydronic system. Some of the big names in geothermal are Climate Master, Enertech, Hydrotemp from Arkansas and Water Furnace. It is hard to do research on the different brands to compare them and rate them. It seems every brand has it’s hates out there and they seem to write the most about their experience. I have a feeling though that many of the bad blood installation related and not a manufacturing issue. I have seen some really stupid manufacturing problems though. Fortunately it is getting rarer to find these days. If you have any geothermal heat pump questions please let me know. I would love to help out. If you want to text me a question, my cell number is 360 348 7574
My customers are thinking out of the box. I received this photo last week from a customer’s whose 25 years old #geothermal heat pump failed right before he had to travel overseas last summer. He didn’t have time to order and install a new heat pump to keep his family cool, so instead he hooked up his open loop well water to his evaporation coil inside the Geo unit and used the 48 degree F ground well water to cool his home making his air coil a hydronic coil. Not the ideal way to cool or to dehumidify but an amazing hack to solve a problem. Now with our social isolating and a stay at home spring, he has time to swap his #heat pump with a new one before this summer’s cooing season starts. I have some people in Arizona, California, Utah, Nevada and Texas who cool their pools using a fountain instead of a heat / cool swimming pool heater when the water gets over 90 F. You waste more chemicals and water doing it, but if you don’t have the cooling option, then it will do in an emergency. I know lots of you are doing forced stay-cations now and are staring at cold pools. If I can help make you home more comfortable or your pool more tropical please let me know. A warm pool helps keep a positive mental attitude for the family and helps keep moral high. Keeping fit is a great bonus in these days of binge TV and delivery pizza. Sometimes a pool heater is a necessity and not a luxury.
We will get through this.
Please be safe out there.
There is a storm brewing in the industry. Some companies are trying to make heating and cooling equipment overpriced and not letting you have a factory direct price. Then the payback starts to make no sense. It makes me crazy that some big companies want you to pay double what they are worth. I think that this technology is the future and will help your finances and the earth. Because I can be brutally honest about the industry, some big manufacturers now hate me. Too bad. They loved me 20 years ago when I opened up markets that didn’t exist, but now that they have their own sales people with protected territories, exclusive dealers & high quotas they lost their memory. That isn’t good for your pocketbook. That is why I am still here to help you. I won’t pressure you or give you a pitch from a sales seminar. I won’t take you out to dinner to make a sale and I will pull no punches if you want a heater that has a bad warranty or doesn’t fit your needs. I sell other stuff as a courtesy to my customers but I am not an expert on 1000’s of products except #heat pumps. If you want a heat pump for your home, business, #hotel #motel #waterpark #campground #resorts or #schools then I want to help. This is what I live and write about. If you buy a #heatpump from me you get my cell phone number. My customers are smart and I encourage them to do research. “An educated consumer is the best customer”. I can’t take credit for the last quote as it was from a men’s clothing company. I thought it fit though. 🙂
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I love Geothermal heating and cooling with packaged heat pumps. For many homes and businesses, it can save 50 to 75 or more from the cost of other technologies. Some people are still heating their homes with technology from the caveman or woman days. I must admit that I have a wood stove. Though I stopped using it 15 years ago after a diverter plate failed inside the stove and the un-baffled heat caught my chimney on fire. Not a big fan of chimney fires. The problem with many geothermal projects is the cost to the home or business owner. I have seen $50,000.00 quotes to dig 4 ditches and pipe and wire a heat pump. That is horrible when you could have replaced your propane furnace for $3,000.00. It will then take a long time to make up the difference, especially since most people move every seven years. $47,000.00 will buy a lot of propane. Many of my customers put geothermal systems in themselves. Then the numbers are a no brainer. They hire a backhoe or track-hoe with a driver for a day or two to dig the ditches. I just rented a track-hoe for $250.00 plus diesel. My neighbor did most of the work and then taught me how to operate it. I had to give him a lifetime pass for grazing his sheep on my yard though. It was a win-win as now I don’t have to mow anymore. Geothermal loops are about $300.00 a roll. Heat pumps are about $2,600.00 to $5,500.00 or so. There are many utilities offering rebates. I have seen customers in some areas basically get the heat pump for free after a $1,000.00 a ton rebate. Not that common though. Then there are federal tax credits on some brands for the next couple of years also. There are lots of You-tube videos on how to lay pipe. I just watched one on how to change a sewage pump and I can swear that now I am an expert. A smelly one though. My favorite factories of heat pumps won’t punish people who install their own geothermal heat pumps by voiding warranties as long as you get a licensed electrician to do all the wiring and follow local codes, pull permits, etc. Some of my customers hire an HVAC guy to supervise the job to guide them. I like that idea. Then you will have a local guy to help if you ever need service. Install an efficient geothermal heat pump system and you will be making money for years to come. If you are saving $500.00 a month every year, then you will make me happy. After ten years that is $60,000.00 in the bank and that will buy a lot of propane.
PS. All the numbers are completely made up by me but should be pretty close for most people depending on where you live, the size of the heat pump and size of the house, etc. 🙂
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Installing a geothermal heating system is not rocket science. Most of the work can be done by the homeowner or hired out to a professional saving $20,000 to $60,000 and making the payback very fast especially considering the tax credits or local money that might be available from utilities. Everyone will want you to use a licenced electrician for safety and to preserve the warranty.
Most geothermal heat pumps are package units that are tested at the factory and are ready to run after hooking up the water pipes and power. Ditch work can be hired out. Most backhoes and trackhoes can be rented for $200.00 to $400.00 a day. An experienced operator are available.
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I am asked often about whether a client should use a traditional air to air or air to water heat pump or if they should go in the Geothermal heat pump direction. There are many factors to consider when deciding what technology you should use to heat or cool your home, business, water park, hotel, swimming pool or aquaculture / aquaponic application. It is important to know what climate you are located in? Warm weather states or countries or cold climates?
The initial costs involved in geothermal can be more than a simple air source heat pump unless you are using an open loop system and you have water or an existing well available. If you are going to use a closed loop geothermal system then there will need to be pipe buried and that has to be taken into consideration. Every installation is different so I would be happy to have you run by me what conditions you have so we can plan a heating or chilling installation that will have the fastest payback and will give you or your customers the comfort and reliability that they need.